[CAMWEST-discuss] FINAL VERSION Proposed Changes to Cycling in Parramatta Park

Danny Hannan danny_hannan at yahoo.com
Wed Aug 10 22:35:33 UTC 2005

G'day all,

Sorry for the multiple copies but this one is it.

To get a good result that is in the interests of most
cyclists and other non-motorised park users we all
need to send a similar submission.

Coordination of the submissions is necessary otherwise
the Park committee is likely to get many conflicting
submissions which would allow them to do what they

I have raised several points that are of merit for

1.  Motorists must give way to all other park users.

2.  Motor vehicle lane reduced to a minimum width,
2.5m to 3.0m to constrict motorists.

3.  Maximise the width of the shared lane.

4.  Minimise or eliminate the need for motorists to
cross the shared lane.  Motorists crossing and
particularly turning LEFT across the shared lane has
caused several accidents and injuries to cyclists. 
This requires the motor vehicle lane to be moved to
the outside of the circuit road and the removal of all
the parking on the inside of the circuit road and
replaced on the outside of the circuit road with
special treatment for the motor vehicle access to Old
Government House.

5.  Because of the mixed nature of the traffic a
maximum speed limit of 40Km/hr is needed but 30Km/hr
is probably more suitable.

6.  A speed limit for the shared lane is justifiable
but should apply to all users.  Cyclists should not be
singled out or discriminated against.  15Km/hr is
easily exceeded by runners, skate-boarders and
roller-bladers and is approaching the lower stable
speed for
cyclists.  20Km/hr is a more suitable speed limit for
the shared lane.

7.  The motor vehicle lane also be marked with the
bicycle logo.


--- Kevin Young <nsw.cycling at cycling.org.au> wrote:

> Hi Robert
> Cycling NSW received a copy of the document for
> comment yesterday. I can
> confirm both the Parramatta CC and Cycling NSW will
> make formal submissions
> opposing the suggested changes and asking they be
> modified to reflect a more
> realistic plan.
> Thanks for keeping us posted.
> Regards
> Kevin Young
> Cycling NSW
>   _____  
> From: Robert Catford [mailto:droftac at ozemail.com.au]
> Sent: Tuesday, 9 August 2005 9:44 PM
> To: camwest-discuss at nicku.org;
> nsw.cycling at cycling.org.au; kezndm at aol.com;
> tonkin3 at optushome.com.au; Alex Unwin; Andrew Dodds;
> Graham
> Subject: Re: [CAMWEST-discuss] Proposed Changes to
> Cycling in Parramatta
> Park
> Graham,
> I've asked for a copy but nothing delivered by soft
> or hard copy as yet. The
> timing of the release of this public document is
> extraordinary.
> Consultations took place with the public about a
> traffic plan more than 5
> years ago and I was consulted. It has sat and no
> doubt gathered alot of dust
> in that time. They now decide to release it for
> comment giving a very short
> time to make comment and the deadline is well before
> the next Parramatta
> Council cycleways committee meeting with which the
> Park Director, Chris
> Levins, has been invited to attend prior to this
> document being released. 
> The summary I received in the mail from the Park
> seems to include a 4m or so
> shared on-road path for pedestrians and cyclists
> with a 15km/hr speed limit.
> There is nothing to stop faster cyclists from riding
> in the narrower traffic
> lane which has a proposed reduced speed limit of
> 30km/hr. Neither situation
> would suit the majority of cyclists I suspect.
> I agree we will need to lobby hard and publicise the
> changes to road riding
> clubs like Parramatta Cycle Club that use the park
> alot. 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: Graham <mailto:gheap at bigpond.net.au>  
> To: Andrew Dodds <mailto:adodds at aapt.com.au>  ; Alex
> <mailto:aunwin at bicyclensw.org.au>  Unwin ;
> tonkin3 at optushome.com.au ;
> kezndm at aol.com ; nsw.cycling at cycling.org.au ;
> camwest-discuss at nicku.org 
> Cc: Berny <mailto:bernyl at optusnet.com.au>  Leslie 
> Sent: Sunday, August 07, 2005 5:32 PM
> Subject: [CAMWEST-discuss] Proposed Changes to
> Cycling in Parramatta Park
> Alex & Andrew
> for info
> This is society gone mad. There is a long tradition
> of bike riding at racing
> speed in the Parra Park and to have a bunch of
> wowser tea totalling lazy
> bustards even consider this proposal is enough to
> bring me out of the
> closet.  We may need support letters from BNSW on
> this one.
> CAMWESTies  I think this calls for a strategy
> meeting to plan our attack
> strategy and even time to bring the big guns like
> Ian & Danny out of semi
> retirement.  I'm open to suggestion of a venue and
> it needs to be ASAP.
> Can somebody get a soft copy of the proposal?
> Parramatta Cycling, Waratah\h Vets  & Cycling NSW
> I think you would also have a huge stake in this
> latest proposal.
> Graham  Heap
> CAMWEST Member & BNSW Board Member
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: < <mailto:Jonhol2 at netscape.net>
> Jonhol2 at netscape.net>
> To: ""Jeff Lehrer"" < <mailto:jlehrer at bigpond.com>
> jlehrer at bigpond.com>; <
> <mailto:camwest-discuss at nicku.org>
> camwest-discuss at nicku.org>
> Sent: Sunday, August 07, 2005 1:09 PM
> Subject: RE: [CAMWEST-discuss] Hi from newbie
> > Hi, 
> >   like Jeff I am reasonably new to CamWest & I was
> wondering if you ever
> had a face to face meeting as well. I ride about 4
> days per week mainly for
> fitness and would ride more, except for the distinct
> lack of support for
> bikes on our roads and shopping centres.It is easy
> to communicate by email,
> but the good old fashioned concept of a meeting
> usually works a lot better.
> > 
> > Like the rest of you I lead a busy lifestyle, but
> my commitment to cycling
> is strong enough that I could make time to attend a
> meeting on a monthly or
> quarterly basis to discuss methods of lobbying for
> cycling facilities in our
> area.
> > 
> > These are facilities that need to be fought for as
> we are losing some of
> them as I write. How many of you utilise Parramatta
> Park as a training venue
> or a part of your commute? Are you aware that the
> Parramatta Park Trust is
> proposing changes to traffice flow in the Park?
> Those changes include a
> in a designated shared
> area with pedestrians. I tried riding at 15
> kilometres per hour today on my
> Mountain Bike. I managed that speed quite well on
> the uphill stretch near
> MacQuarie St but it was fairly difficult on the rest
> of the ride.
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