[CAMWEST-discuss] Fw: Re: Reform Bicycle NSW

Danny Hannan danny_hannan at yahoo.com
Tue Jul 4 07:10:58 UTC 2006

To some extent Bicycle NSW is seen as a closed club,
"the in crowd" and many but not all and maybe not even
most but enough to give the impression that "this is
my turf and no one else is coming onto my turf.  So
the response from the membership is "fine you have it
but without my support".

This is particularly so with the Australian Cyclist,
try to get an article printed if you are not in the
"in crowd".

Bicycle NSW board and staff and the BFA need to be
actively inclusive in all aspects of their work if
they want the support of the membership.

The other problem is the increasing level of
commitment required just to survive in our buisy


--- Nick Urbanik <nicku at nicku.org> wrote:

> Dear Folks,
> I am forwarding this from the
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> may find it interesting.
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> Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2006 22:11:46 -0700 (PDT)
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> Subject: Re: Reform Bicycle NSW
> Thanks for your reply bob.
> Last year's AGM we discussed the possibility of
> having one male and one female
> 'elected by lot', in addition to the current board
> members. this was a
> conservative proposal. Yes personally i would like
> to see the whole board
> elected by lot, but i think the above  proposal is 
> the way to start.
> i think your suggesting there be an age limit to 
> 'elected by lot' board
> members. At the 2005 AGM we said people interested
> would need to enroll
> themselves. there could be a box they tick on the
> Bicycle NSW entry form that
> asked, "do you want to be on the board this coming
> year" and you would need to
> tick the box to enroll yourself to be elected by
> lot. Or you could have an age
> limit and elect people from the entire member list,
> i think 50 years of age as
> an entry level (by the way that rules me out).
> Personally i think people who have the
> qualifications should get the
> positions on any board or parliament for that
> matter, but that strangely is not
> current practice. But if you are going to be an
> ordinary member of the board
> then you need not have specific qualifications and
> the idea behind the
> 'election by lot' proposal was to educate members to
> and encopurage them to be
> more active in the organisation. Last year only 30
> people turned out for the
> AGM out of a possible 10,000 members!
> Robert Moore <fractalbug at yahoo.com.au> wrote:
>     --- John Kyriazis and Ian Macindoe wrote:
>     > we would be
>     > interested to know the thoughts of others to
> the
>     > following proposal.
>     > To encourage greater participation of members
> of
>     > Bicycle NSW in the Annual General Meeting we
> suggest
>     > the following:
>     >
>     > To increase Bicycle NSW s commitment to and
>     > involvement with its members, we suggest that
>     > positions on its Board be 'elected by lot' ,
>     > specifically to liaise with and promote BUGs
>     > throughout NSW. (please note: 'elected by lot'
> means
>     > random selection from membership list.)
>     Do you mean ALL positions by lot? Any age limit
> or
>     experience/skills needed?
>     > Some weeks prior to the AGM there be a special
>     > boxed section of Push On outlining the main
> purposes
>     > and issues to be taken up at the AGM.
>     >
>     > The AGM to occur during the last half day of a
>     > two-day BUGs workshop dealing with
>     > (a) BUG purposes and activities, (b) BUG
>     > governance, and (c) BNSW governance.
>     This is a good idea if enough people can get to
> it.
>     >
>     > The BUG workshop be organised and hosted by
> one
>     > of the larger/more successful BUGs at no
> substantial
>     > cost to Bicycle NSW as an organisation.
>     Who does pay then, the hosting BUG? Not many
> could
>     afford that. Better to make it an annual item in
> the
>     BNSW budget surely? Or are we talking
> home-stays?
>     > So, for
>     > example, if Bathurst BADBUG or Bicycle Wagga
> Wagga
>     > or Northern Rivers Cycling Club or NAMBUG or
>     > BUG (Leeton) or Cootamundra BUG hosts the
> workshop,
>     > then they would provide the appropriate
> facilities
>     > for the AGM also.
>     Maybe the local Council or business could help
>     subsidise the meeting.
>     > The effect of such changes to the present
>     > operation of Bicycle NSW would be to shift
> emphasis
>     > towards the role of BUGs vis- -vis the central
>     > support organisation (Bicycle NSW). It would
> also,
>     > we hope, tend to provide a balance to the
>     > traditional Sydney-centric operation of
> Bicycle NSW.
>     > We think it would certainly lead to productive
> ideas
>     > for BUGs to share and could even make the AGM
> fun!
>     I am thinking what BNSW needs as always is a
> stronger
>     Advocacy Committee and maybe the BUGs need to
> think
>     about getting on that before they get on the
> board
>     itself. ( Apologies for those who are involved,
> I
>     admit I am a litle out of it myself these days.)
> More
>     use of electronic meetings might overcome the
> distance
>     and other splits between country and city.
>     Bob Moore
>     Leichhardt BUG
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