[CAMWEST-discuss] Fw: RE: push on gone

Nick Urbanik nicku at nicku.org
Fri Sep 1 08:17:54 UTC 2006


Graeme Edwards puts in his opinion.

----- Forwarded message from "president at bikenorth" <graemee at idx.com.au> -----

From: "president at bikenorth" <graemee at idx.com.au>
Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2006 17:33:14 +1000
To: "Jane & Milton Judd" <ukerbarley at dodo.com.au>,
	"St George BUG" <info at stgeorgebug.org.au>
Cc: "Ian McAllan" <ducula at tpg.com.au>,
	"Doug & Nina Bathersby" <dbathers at bigpond.net.au>,
	"'john kyriazis'" <ioannis_zis at yahoo.com>, <scribepj at tpg.com.au>,
	"Full Screen Ahead" <enquiries at full-screen-ahead.com.au>,
	<fractalbug at yahoo.com.au>, <ashbug at telstra.com>,
	<sally at full-screen-ahead.com.au>, <secretary at bww.org.au>,
	"Bike North" <info at bikenorth.org.au>, <grant at grcontrols.net>,
	<bsday at optusnet.com.au>, <pwe01326 at bigpond.net.au>,
	<KRIXggrh at bigpond.com>, <bgrinberg at telstra.com>,
	<contact at baybug.org.au>, <cctcc at bigpond.com>, <katandra at bigpond.com>,
	<jclewer at bigpond.net.au>, <jan2max at bigpond.net.au>,
	<info at camwest.pps.com.au>, <george1h at 0tusnet.com.au>,
	<john-j-OBrien at bigpond.com>, <president at sydneyspokes.com>,
	<timothy at australia.edu>, <1bicycle at lisp.com.au>,
	<CBushell at csu.edu.au>, <agwood at hn.ozemail.com.au>,
	<david.and.barb at iinet.net.au>, <haworth at tsn.cc>,
	<bccycles at nor.com.au>, <gregmonk at bigpond.net.au>,
	<alland1 at bigpond.com>, <nebug at optusnet.com.au>,
	<cycleways at hunterlink.net.au>, <patriciagriffen at bigpond.com.au>,
	<gregw at nor.com.au>, <rpabarlow at netwit.net.au>, <ggodde at vtown.com.au>,
	<begabug_7 at hotmail.com>, <laja.florence at bigpond.com>,
	<gjsearle at bigpond.com>, <candgfloyd at hotmail.com>,
	<enquiry at toukleycycleclub.org.au>,
	"Ian Macindoe" <imacian at bigpond.net.au>
Subject: RE: push on gone       
Reply-To: <president at bikenorth.org.au>
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I am not familiar with all the email addresses of the BNSW board members but
I do not see the addresses of those I do know in the list above.  Nor do I
see the address of the CEO or any other members of the BNSW staff.  If you
want something changed then you need to address those that can effect change
directly.  As local advocates for cycling I am sure you already know this.

May I suggest that instead of going backwards and forwards between
yourselves you take some positive action to get the outcome you want.
My suggestion is that you send letters or emails to all your members asking
them to write or to email the BNSW board members asking for what you want.
Provide all the email address and snail mail addresses in you mail out so
your members can take action.

I am sure that the BNSW board and staff will make the correct decision when
faced with the number of letters and emails they receive.

This would be a whole lot easier if the BNSW board members had a bicyclensw
email address but that is another issue.

Graeme Edwards
President Bike North Inc.

> From: Jane & Milton Judd [mailto:ukerbarley at dodo.com.au]
> Sent: Thursday, 31 August 2006 9:57 PM
> To: St George BUG
> Cc: Ian McAllan; Doug & Nina Bathersby; 'john kyriazis';
> scribepj at tpg.com.au; Full Screen Ahead; fractalbug at yahoo.com.au;
> ashbug at telstra.com; sally at full-screen-ahead.com.au;
> secretary at bww.org.au; Bike North; grant at grcontrols.net;
> bsday at optusnet.com.au; pwe01326 at bigpond.net.au; KRIXggrh at bigpond.com;
> bgrinberg at telstra.com; contact at baybug.org.au; cctcc at bigpond.com;
> katandra at bigpond.com; jclewer at bigpond.net.au; jan2max at bigpond.net.au;
> info at camwest.pps.com.au; george1h at 0tusnet.com.au;
> john-j-OBrien at bigpond.com; president at sydneyspokes.com;
> timothy at australia.edu; 1bicycle at lisp.com.au; CBushell at csu.edu.au;
> agwood at hn.ozemail.com.au; david.and.barb at iinet.net.au; haworth at tsn.cc;
> bccycles at nor.com.au; gregmonk at bigpond.net.au; alland1 at bigpond.com;
> nebug at optusnet.com.au; cycleways at hunterlink.net.au;
> patriciagriffen at bigpond.com.au; gregw at nor.com.au;
> rpabarlow at netwit.net.au; ggodde at vtown.com.au; begabug_7 at hotmail.com;
> laja.florence at bigpond.com; gjsearle at bigpond.com; candgfloyd at hotmail.com;
> enquiry at toukleycycleclub.org.au; Ian Macindoe;
> president at bikenorth.org.au
> Subject: Re: push on gone
>
>
> I agree with the sentiments expressed below.  The new look Australian
> Cyclist is a slick production but lacking BUG news and NSW advocacy
> information.
>
> On the subject of the web, it is true that a significant number of
> people are not on the web.  We find that that is the case with our
> local Bushwalking club.  Another factor in my own case is that with a
> country phone line our maximum line speed is usually 21,600 bps.
> Coupled with the fact that we have to run our generator before we can
> use the computer, wading through the Push On pages is a time consuming
> and costly process.
>
> BicycleNSW is in danger of losing out if it does not maintain a
> presence in the magazine.  As I have stated previously, it was only by
> buying the magazine and seeing what the BUGs were doing that gave me
> the lead towards forming the Warrumbungle Wheelers BUG.  As Geoff Nash
> once said to me "We are about getting bums on seats".  I see that as
> spreading the word to the uninitiated and not just pandering to the
> already converted.
> Milton Judd,
> WWBUG, Coonabarabran.
>
> On Thursday, August 31, 2006, at 05:43  PM, St George BUG wrote:
>
> > Ian McAllan wrote:
> >> Viewing the rides available is not the issue as suggested by Phil J.
> >> As John K stated, the issue is *Advocacy*. Take out Push On from
> >> Cycling Australia and there is no evidence to the average member of
> >> BNSW that there is any advocacy or active lobbying by the
> >> organisation unless they go out of their way to look up the pdf.
> >> Indeed there is no mention of the BUGS.
> >> Doug B is correct. Most members will read "Push On" if it is in their
> >> face as a hard copy, but are less likely if it is on-line, no matter
> >> how wonderful it is. Strange as it may seem to everyone on the
> >> internet, there is still a significant section of the Australian
> >> population that is not caught in the web - not just 'a few'. Maybe it
> >> is because the people concerned are not answering their emails.
> >> The lack of a lobbying profile of BNSW is undoubtedly a major part of
> >> the reason for a yearly one third turnover of membership - i.e. "Does
> >> my membership of this organisation make any difference?". Given the
> >> recent lack of profile of BNSW with the closure of the William St
> >> cycle lanes (e.g. no comment in the media on the day of the
> >> announcement, emails sent out on the day before protest rides) one
> >> could say membership makes no difference. In fact the email medium
> >> was still not fast enough to get many bums on bike seats on the two
> >> protest rides I went on (which I found about from other BUGS anyway).
> >> Phil J obviously didn't understand what John was saying. There was
> >> nothing on advocacy in Cycling Australia apart from a few vague lines
> >> in the editorial. In fact the latest Push On has evidence that BNSW
> >> is giving up on advocacy. It has links to a websurvey by the Liberal
> >> Party. This looks at best that BNSW is abrogating its
> >> responsibilities, at worst in bed with a political party (doesn't
> >> matter which one). As an NGO, BNSW is the organisation that should be
> >> doing the survey of its 10,000+ members and then approaching the
> >> political parties to see what they can offer - not the other way
> >> around.
> >> The foundation of Bicycle NSW is not a rides programme as suggested
> >> by Phil, it is ensuring there are facilities, paths and lanes so that
> >> there is a perception that it is safe to cycle for whatever reason
> >> you want.
> >> Ian McAllan
> >>
> >>     *From:* Doug & Nina Bathersby <mailto:dbathers at bigpond.net.au>
> >>     *To:* 'john kyriazis' <mailto:ioannis_zis at yahoo.com> ;
> >>     scribepj at tpg.com.au <mailto:scribepj at tpg.com.au> ; Full Screen
> >>     Ahead <mailto:enquiries at full-screen-ahead.com.au>
> >>     *Cc:* ducula at tpg.com.au <mailto:ducula at tpg.com.au> ;
> >>     fractalbug at yahoo.com.au <mailto:fractalbug at yahoo.com.au> ;
> >>     ashbug at telstra.com <mailto:ashbug at telstra.com> ;
> >>     sally at full-screen-ahead.com.au
> >>     <mailto:sally at full-screen-ahead.com.au> ; secretary at bww.org.au
> >>     <mailto:secretary at bww.org.au> ; Bike North
> >>     <mailto:info at bikenorth.org.au> ; grant at grcontrols.net
> >>     <mailto:grant at grcontrols.net> ; bsday at optusnet.com.au
> >>     <mailto:bsday at optusnet.com.au> ; pwe01326 at bigpond.net.au
> >>     <mailto:pwe01326 at bigpond.net.au> ; KRIXggrh at bigpond.com
> >>     <mailto:KRIXggrh at bigpond.com> ; bgrinberg at telstra.com
> >>     <mailto:bgrinberg at telstra.com> ; contact at baybug.org.au
> >>     <mailto:contact at baybug.org.au> ; cctcc at bigpond.com
> >>     <mailto:cctcc at bigpond.com> ; katandra at bigpond.com
> >>     <mailto:katandra at bigpond.com> ; jclewer at bigpond.net.au
> >>     <mailto:jclewer at bigpond.net.au> ; jan2max at bigpond.net.au
> >>     <mailto:jan2max at bigpond.net.au> ; info at camwest.pps.com.au
> >>     <mailto:info at camwest.pps.com.au> ; george1h at 0tusnet.com.au
> >>     <mailto:george1h at 0tusnet.com.au> ; john-j-OBrien at bigpond.com
> >>     <mailto:john-j-OBrien at bigpond.com> ; president at sydneyspokes.com
> >>     <mailto:president at sydneyspokes.com> ; timothy at australia.edu
> >>     <mailto:timothy at australia.edu> ; 1bicycle at lisp.com.au
> >>     <mailto:1bicycle at lisp.com.au> ; CBushell at csu.edu.au
> >>     <mailto:CBushell at csu.edu.au> ; agwood at hn.ozemail.com.au
> >>     <mailto:agwood at hn.ozemail.com.au> ; david.and.barb at iinet.net.au
> >>     <mailto:david.and.barb at iinet.net.au> ; haworth at tsn.cc
> >>     <mailto:haworth at tsn.cc> ; bccycles at nor.com.au
> >>     <mailto:bccycles at nor.com.au> ; gregmonk at bigpond.net.au
> >>     <mailto:gregmonk at bigpond.net.au> ; alland1 at bigpond.com
> >>     <mailto:alland1 at bigpond.com> ; nebug at optusnet.com.au
> >>     <mailto:nebug at optusnet.com.au> ; cycleways at hunterlink.net.au
> >>     <mailto:cycleways at hunterlink.net.au> ;
> >>     patriciagriffen at bigpond.com.au
> >>     <mailto:patriciagriffen at bigpond.com.au> ; gregw at nor.com.au
> >>     <mailto:gregw at nor.com.au> ; rpabarlow at netwit.net.au
> >>     <mailto:rpabarlow at netwit.net.au> ; ggodde at vtown.com.au
> >>     <mailto:ggodde at vtown.com.au> ; begabug_7 at hotmail.com
> >>     <mailto:begabug_7 at hotmail.com> ; laja.florence at bigpond.com
> >>     <mailto:laja.florence at bigpond.com> ; gjsearle at bigpond.com
> >>     <mailto:gjsearle at bigpond.com> ; info at stgeorgebug.org.au
> >>     <mailto:info at stgeorgebug.org.au> ; candgfloyd at hotmail.com
> >>     <mailto:candgfloyd at hotmail.com> ; enquiry at toukleycycleclub.org.au
> >>     <mailto:enquiry at toukleycycleclub.org.au> ; Milton Judd
> >>     <mailto:judd at tpg.com.au> ; Ian Macindoe
> >>     <mailto:imacian at bigpond.net.au> ; president at bikenorth.org.au
> >>     <mailto:president at bikenorth.org.au>
> >>     *Sent:* Wednesday, August 30, 2006 12:02 AM
> >>     *Subject:* Re: push on gone To the contrary, "Push On enters the
> >>     21st Century"
> >>
> >>     The bottom line is that many members still want to put up their
> >>     feet and read a magazine with everything up front. What is next
> >>     the Woman's Weekly and the bible only accessible on the web??
> >>     Doug
> >>
> >>         *From:* Full Screen Ahead
> >>         <mailto:enquiries at full-screen-ahead.com.au>
> >>         *To:* scribepj at tpg.com.au <mailto:scribepj at tpg.com.au> ; 'john
> >>         kyriazis' <mailto:ioannis_zis at yahoo.com>
> >>         *Cc:* president at bikenorth.org.au
> >>         <mailto:president at bikenorth.org.au> ; imacian at bigpond.net.au
> >>         <mailto:imacian at bigpond.net.au> ;
> >>         windsorcyclist at windsorcyclists.org.au/
> >>         <mailto:windsorcyclist at windsorcyclists.org.au/> ;
> >>         judd at tpg.com.au <mailto:judd at tpg.com.au> ;
> >>         enquiry at toukleycycleclub.org.au
> >>         <mailto:enquiry at toukleycycleclub.org.au> ;
> >>         candgfloyd at hotmail.com <mailto:candgfloyd at hotmail.com> ;
> >>         info at stgeorgebug.org.au <mailto:info at stgeorgebug.org.au> ;
> >>         gjsearle at bigpond.com <mailto:gjsearle at bigpond.com> ;
> >>         laja.florence at bigpond.com <mailto:laja.florence at bigpond.com> ;
> >>         begabug_7 at hotmail.com <mailto:begabug_7 at hotmail.com> ;
> >>         ggodde at vtown.com.au <mailto:ggodde at vtown.com.au> ;
> >>         rpabarlow at netwit.net.au <mailto:rpabarlow at netwit.net.au> ;
> >>         gregw at nor.com.au <mailto:gregw at nor.com.au> ;
> >>         patriciagriffen at bigpond.com.au
> >>         <mailto:patriciagriffen at bigpond.com.au> ;
> >>         cycleways at hunterlink.net.au
> >>         <mailto:cycleways at hunterlink.net.au> ; nebug at optusnet.com.au
> >>         <mailto:nebug at optusnet.com.au> ; alland1 at bigpond.com
> >>         <mailto:alland1 at bigpond.com> ; gregmonk at bigpond.net.au
> >>         <mailto:gregmonk at bigpond.net.au> ; bccycles at nor.com.au
> >>         <mailto:bccycles at nor.com.au> ; haworth at tsn.cc
> >>         <mailto:haworth at tsn.cc> ; david.and.barb at iinet.net.au
> >>         <mailto:david.and.barb at iinet.net.au> ;
> >>         agwood at hn.ozemail.com.au <mailto:agwood at hn.ozemail.com.au> ;
> >>         dbathers at bigpond.net.au <mailto:dbathers at bigpond.net.au> ;
> >>         CBushell at csu.edu.au <mailto:CBushell at csu.edu.au> ;
> >>         1bicycle at lisp.com.au <mailto:1bicycle at lisp.com.au> ;
> >>         timothy at australia.edu <mailto:timothy at australia.edu> ;
> >>         president at sydneyspokes.com <mailto:president at sydneyspokes.com>
> >>         ; john-j-OBrien at bigpond.com <mailto:john-j-OBrien at bigpond.com>
> >>         ; george1h at 0tusnet.com.au <mailto:george1h at 0tusnet.com.au> ;
> >>         info at camwest.pps.com.au <mailto:info at camwest.pps.com.au> ;
> >>         jan2max at bigpond.net.au <mailto:jan2max at bigpond.net.au> ;
> >>         jclewer at bigpond.net.au <mailto:jclewer at bigpond.net.au> ;
> >>         katandra at bigpond.com <mailto:katandra at bigpond.com> ;
> >>         cctcc at bigpond.com <mailto:cctcc at bigpond.com> ;
> >>         contact at baybug.org.au <mailto:contact at baybug.org.au> ;
> >>         bgrinberg at telstra.com <mailto:bgrinberg at telstra.com> ;
> >>         KRIXggrh at bigpond.com <mailto:KRIXggrh at bigpond.com> ;
> >>         pwe01326 at bigpond.net.au <mailto:pwe01326 at bigpond.net.au> ;
> >>         bsday at optusnet.com.au <mailto:bsday at optusnet.com.au> ;
> >>         grant at grcontrols.net <mailto:grant at grcontrols.net> ;
> >>         info at bikenorth.org.au <mailto:info at bikenorth.org.au> ;
> >>         secretary at bww.org.au <mailto:secretary at bww.org.au> ;
> >>         sally at full-screen-ahead.com.au
> >>         <mailto:sally at full-screen-ahead.com.au> ; ashbug at telstra.com
> >>         <mailto:ashbug at telstra.com> ; fractalbug at yahoo.com.au
> >>         <mailto:fractalbug at yahoo.com.au> ; ducula at tpg.com.au
> >>         <mailto:ducula at tpg.com.au>
> >>         *Sent:* Wednesday, August 30, 2006 12:20 AM
> >>         *Subject:* Re: push on gone To the contrary, "Push On enters
> >>         the 21st Century"
> >>
> >>         I must admit I agree with Phil
> >>         Push On was great in Australian Cyclist, and I think was a
> >>         terrific incentive for the new cyclist. I would love to see a
> >>         few pages in the magazine dedicated to BUGs for contacts,
> >>         stories, and, in particular the rides calendar website
> >>         emphasised, so new readers will not miss the opportunity of
> >>         learning about how to access rides. We must not forget that
> >>         regular riders are the initiated,and it is the new riders we
> >>         are trying to encourage.
> >>         However, the Push On website, as it develops, is a wonderful
> >>         resource for us all. To see what is happening now, both
> >>         politically and for accessing rides. Rides can be more
> >>         appropriate for current users of a particular BUG, and the
> >>         weather conditions. I always found it difficult to plan rides
> >>         so far ahead, and then be unable to make changes if the
> >>         situation changed. The website gives us much more flexibility.
> >>         Also, the latest political situation, good news stories and a
> >>         forum, give us all the opportunity to voice our opinions to
> >>         the present political situation. It also gives us current
> >>         information that we can use to inform our own local media.
> >>         I too, greatly appreciate the work Jenni is doing in
> >>         developing this site. It is now up to us to use it to our
> >>         advantage and give the BUGs a united voice.
> >>         Regards Sally Knyvett
> >>         Secretary BARBUG
> >>         Ph: 46841444
> >>         www.bargo.info/cyclebargo/bug.htm
> >>         <http://www.bargo.info/cyclebargo/bug.htm>
> >>
> >>             *From:* Phil Johnston <mailto:scribepj at tpg.com.au>
> >>             *To:* 'john kyriazis' <mailto:ioannis_zis at yahoo.com>
> >>             *Cc:* president at bikenorth.org.au
> >>             <mailto:president at bikenorth.org.au> ;
> >>             imacian at bigpond.net.au <mailto:imacian at bigpond.net.au> ;
> >>             windsorcyclist at windsorcyclists.org.au/
> >>             <mailto:windsorcyclist at windsorcyclists.org.au/> ;
> >>             judd at tpg.com.au <mailto:judd at tpg.com.au> ;
> >>             enquiry at toukleycycleclub.org.au
> >>             <mailto:enquiry at toukleycycleclub.org.au> ;
> >>             candgfloyd at hotmail.com <mailto:candgfloyd at hotmail.com> ;
> >>             info at stgeorgebug.org.au <mailto:info at stgeorgebug.org.au> ;
> >>             gjsearle at bigpond.com <mailto:gjsearle at bigpond.com> ;
> >>             laja.florence at bigpond.com
> >>             <mailto:laja.florence at bigpond.com> ; begabug_7 at hotmail.com
> >>             <mailto:begabug_7 at hotmail.com> ; ggodde at vtown.com.au
> >>             <mailto:ggodde at vtown.com.au> ; rpabarlow at netwit.net.au
> >>             <mailto:rpabarlow at netwit.net.au> ; gregw at nor.com.au
> >>             <mailto:gregw at nor.com.au> ; patriciagriffen at bigpond.com.au
> >>             <mailto:patriciagriffen at bigpond.com.au> ;
> >>             cycleways at hunterlink.net.au
> >>             <mailto:cycleways at hunterlink.net.au> ;
> >>             nebug at optusnet.com.au <mailto:nebug at optusnet.com.au> ;
> >>             alland1 at bigpond.com <mailto:alland1 at bigpond.com> ;
> >>             gregmonk at bigpond.net.au <mailto:gregmonk at bigpond.net.au> ;
> >>             bccycles at nor.com.au <mailto:bccycles at nor.com.au> ;
> >>             haworth at tsn.cc <mailto:haworth at tsn.cc> ;
> >>             david.and.barb at iinet.net.au
> >>             <mailto:david.and.barb at iinet.net.au> ;
> >>             agwood at hn.ozemail.com.au <mailto:agwood at hn.ozemail.com.au>
> >>             ; dbathers at bigpond.net.au <mailto:dbathers at bigpond.net.au>
> >>             ; CBushell at csu.edu.au <mailto:CBushell at csu.edu.au> ;
> >>             1bicycle at lisp.com.au <mailto:1bicycle at lisp.com.au> ;
> >>             timothy at australia.edu <mailto:timothy at australia.edu> ;
> >>             president at sydneyspokes.com
> >>             <mailto:president at sydneyspokes.com> ;
> >>             john-j-OBrien at bigpond.com
> >>             <mailto:john-j-OBrien at bigpond.com> ;
> >>             george1h at 0tusnet.com.au <mailto:george1h at 0tusnet.com.au> ;
> >>             info at camwest.pps.com.au <mailto:info at camwest.pps.com.au> ;
> >>             jan2max at bigpond.net.au <mailto:jan2max at bigpond.net.au> ;
> >>             jclewer at bigpond.net.au <mailto:jclewer at bigpond.net.au> ;
> >>             katandra at bigpond.com <mailto:katandra at bigpond.com> ;
> >>             cctcc at bigpond.com <mailto:cctcc at bigpond.com> ;
> >>             contact at baybug.org.au <mailto:contact at baybug.org.au> ;
> >>             bgrinberg at telstra.com <mailto:bgrinberg at telstra.com> ;
> >>             KRIXggrh at bigpond.com <mailto:KRIXggrh at bigpond.com> ;
> >>             pwe01326 at bigpond.net.au <mailto:pwe01326 at bigpond.net.au> ;
> >>             bsday at optusnet.com.au <mailto:bsday at optusnet.com.au> ;
> >>             grant at grcontrols.net <mailto:grant at grcontrols.net> ;
> >>             info at bikenorth.org.au <mailto:info at bikenorth.org.au> ;
> >>             secretary at bww.org.au <mailto:secretary at bww.org.au> ;
> >>             sally at full-screen-ahead.com.au
> >>             <mailto:sally at full-screen-ahead.com.au> ;
> >>             ashbug at telstra.com <mailto:ashbug at telstra.com> ;
> >>             fractalbug at yahoo.com.au <mailto:fractalbug at yahoo.com.au> ;
> >>             ducula at tpg.com.au <mailto:ducula at tpg.com.au>
> >>             *Sent:* Tuesday, August 29, 2006 8:53 PM
> >>             *Subject:* RE: push on gone To the contrary, "Push On
> >>             enters the 21st Century"
> >>
> >>             John
> >>
> >>             I believe *www.PushOn.com.au <http://www.PushOn.com.au>*
> >>             provides a materially more efficient, timely information
> >>             distribution medium than the former paper based delivery
> >>             where much of the information was assembled a few months
> >>             earlier. I found too many rides in the paper based
> >>             programme to have changed.
> >>
> >>             I have never met Jenni Gormley, who seems to have
> >>             pioneered *www.PushOn.com.au <http://www.PushOn.com.au>
> >>             *by expending countless hours of her time. However, I have
> >>             enormous regard for her commitment. It is child’s play for
> >>             BUGs to log new rides whereby members may access across a
> >>             plethora of viewing options where the ride details can
> >>             readily be amended or deleted if necessary. Such amendment
> >>             wasn’t possible previously whereupon cyclists can now
> >>             safely rely on ride details in the above website.
> >>
> >>             The foundation stone of BNSW surely has to be an
> >>             extensive, diverse, accurate rides programme.
> >>
> >>             I appreciate that a few people still don’t have Internet
> >>             access, but usually they know someone who does who has a
> >>             printer.
> >>
> >>             The world relies on the internet to provide all sorts of
> >>             timely, accurate info. Traditional newspapers and
> >>             magazines are struggling for circulation. I don’t see why
> >>             cyclists shouldn’t similarly avail themselves of its
> >> benefits.
> >>
> >>             Cheers
> >>
> >>             Phil Johnston
> >>
> >>             BUG: www.Muggaccinos.com <http://www.Muggaccinos.com>
> >>
> >>             *From:* john kyriazis [mailto:ioannis_zis at yahoo.com]
> >>             *Sent:* Monday, 28 August 2006 7:54 PM
> >>             *To:* president at bikenorth.org.au
> >>             <mailto:president at bikenorth.org.au>;
> >>             imacian at bigpond.net.au <mailto:imacian at bigpond.net.au>;
> >>             windsorcyclist at windsorcyclists.org.au/
> >>             <mailto:windsorcyclist at windsorcyclists.org.au/>;
> >>             judd at tpg.com.au <mailto:judd at tpg.com.au>;
> >>             enquiry at toukleycycleclub.org.au
> >>             <mailto:enquiry at toukleycycleclub.org.au>;
> >>             candgfloyd at hotmail.com <mailto:candgfloyd at hotmail.com>;
> >>             info at stgeorgebug.org.au <mailto:info at stgeorgebug.org.au>;
> >>             gjsearle at bigpond.com <mailto:gjsearle at bigpond.com>;
> >>             laja.florence at bigpond.com
> >>             <mailto:laja.florence at bigpond.com>; begabug_7 at hotmail.com
> >>             <mailto:begabug_7 at hotmail.com>; ggodde at vtown.com.au
> >>             <mailto:ggodde at vtown.com.au>; rpabarlow at netwit.net.au
> >>             <mailto:rpabarlow at netwit.net.au>; gregw at nor.com.au
> >>             <mailto:gregw at nor.com.au>; patriciagriffen at bigpond.com.au
> >>             <mailto:patriciagriffen at bigpond.com.au>;
> >>             cycleways at hunterlink.net.au
> >>             <mailto:cycleways at hunterlink.net.au>;
> >>             nebug at optusnet.com.au <mailto:nebug at optusnet.com.au>;
> >>             alland1 at bigpond.com <mailto:alland1 at bigpond.com>; Scribe
> >>             <mailto:ScribePJ at tpg.com.au>PJ at tpg.com.au
> >>             <mailto:ScribePJ at tpg.com.au>; gregmonk at bigpond.net.au
> >>             <mailto:gregmonk at bigpond.net.au>; bccycles at nor.com.au
> >>             <mailto:bccycles at nor.com.au>; haworth at tsn.cc
> >>             <mailto:haworth at tsn.cc>; david.and.barb at iinet.net.au
> >>             <mailto:david.and.barb at iinet.net.au>;
> >>             agwood at hn.ozemail.com.au
> >>             <mailto:agwood at hn.ozemail.com.au>; dbathers at bigpond.net.au
> >>             <mailto:dbathers at bigpond.net.au>; CBushell at csu.edu.au
> >>             <mailto:CBushell at csu.edu.au>; 1bicycle at lisp.com.au
> >>             <mailto:1bicycle at lisp.com.au>; timothy at australia.edu
> >>             <mailto:timothy at australia.edu>; president at sydneyspokes.com
> >>             <mailto:president at sydneyspokes.com>;
> >>             john-j-OBrien at bigpond.com
> >>             <mailto:john-j-OBrien at bigpond.com>;
> >>             george1h at 0tusnet.com.au <mailto:george1h at 0tusnet.com.au>;
> >>             info at camwest.pps.com.au <mailto:info at camwest.pps.com.au>;
> >>             jan2max at bigpond.net.au <mailto:jan2max at bigpond.net.au>;
> >>             jclewer at bigpond.net.au <mailto:jclewer at bigpond.net.au>;
> >>             katandra at bigpond.com <mailto:katandra at bigpond.com>;
> >>             cctcc at bigpond.com <mailto:cctcc at bigpond.com>;
> >>             contact at baybug.org.au <mailto:contact at baybug.org.au>;
> >>             bgrinberg at telstra.com <mailto:bgrinberg at telstra.com>;
> >>             KRIXggrh at bigpond.com <mailto:KRIXggrh at bigpond.com>;
> >>             pwe01326 at bigpond.net.au <mailto:pwe01326 at bigpond.net.au>;
> >>             bsday at optusnet.com.au <mailto:bsday at optusnet.com.au>;
> >>             grant at grcontrols.net <mailto:grant at grcontrols.net>;
> >>             info at bikenorth.org.au <mailto:info at bikenorth.org.au>;
> >>             secretary at bww.org.au <mailto:secretary at bww.org.au>;
> >>             sally at full-screen-ahead.com.au
> >>             <mailto:sally at full-screen-ahead.com.au>;
> >>             ashbug at telstra.com <mailto:ashbug at telstra.com>;
> >>             fractalbug at yahoo.com.au <mailto:fractalbug at yahoo.com.au>;
> >>             ducula at tpg.com.au <mailto:ducula at tpg.com.au>
> >>             *Subject:* push on gone
> >>
> >>             The push on has gone from the magazine and thus relegated
> >>             those activists & Bugs associated with it to third rate
> >>             status. Bicycle NSW is distancing itself from Bugs. Its
> >>             ceo seems to be more interested in fun rides and
> >>             insurance. This year may be the last chance for BUGS to
> >>             back control of their organisation. What do you all think?
> >>
> >>             If something is not done to reform Bicycle NSW in 2006
> >>             then it will become even more distant from its members,
> >>             when the boards 2 year term in office will begin.
> >>
> >>             We need a Bicycle NSW that will take the lead in lobbying
> >>             the NSW state government and allow the BUGS to consentrate
> >>             on local government.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>             Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone
> >>             calls. Great rates starting at 1¢/min.
> >>
> >> <http://us.rd.yahoo.com/mail_us/taglines/postman7/*http:/
> >> us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=39666/*http:/messenger.yahoo.com>
> >>
> > Hi all
> >
> > I am also in general agreement with those expressing disappointment in
> > the dropping of "Push-On" from Australian Cyclist.
> > Even if we have internet access, is there any guarantee that people
> > will browse the site? I think people who are not actively involved
> > already are not likely to do so.
> > Perhaps as a compromise there could be a page that has BUG contacts
> > and referral to the on-line version. this page would be in a standard
> > always the same form, so would not need editing on a constant basis.
> >
> > I guess the bottom line is we need to get along to AGMs to make sure
> > our concerns are heard.
> >
> > regards
> >
> > Paul Gage
> > St George BUG
> >
>
>
>

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