[CAMWEST-discuss] Fw: Rouse Hill T-Way

Ian Macindoe imacian at bigpond.net.au
Mon Apr 2 02:37:32 UTC 2007

Dear John
I have been trying to contact BNSW re this problem. Maybe you will have more luck, as a Committee member. There is presently an impasse between the RTA and Parramatta City Council, with the former claiming the Council owes RTA funds and the Council denying this is true. I would like to see Bicycle NSW try to broker a resolution. If you wish to get more information call Gary Jensen (Parramatta City Council Open Space Manager) on 9806 5717 and Peter Letts (RTA -- call 131 782 and ask to be put thru to Peter Letts). I understand the Lord Mayor has written to the Minister. Last I heard the Minister had not yet replied. One way or another we need to kick up a fuss. I am otherwise pre-occupied at present, so must rely on others to take the initiative. Good luck.
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  Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2007 9:15 PM
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  I drove past the Cumberalnd Rd/ Old Windsor Rd intersection today. The sound barriers have been repaired, so the only option is onto the road at this time.

  As much as I dislike protests, perhaps it is time to bombard Parramatta City Council & the RTA abput this intersection. Phone calls, letters etc. Also involve the local members as they should all be fresh and enthusiastic after their recent election/ re-election.
  Should a concerted effort like that fail, then how about a protest ride along the T Way from Parramatta to wherever & back again to raise the issue. It is absolutely ridiculous to think that they would spend all that money on any sort of roadway or path & have it just end. ( or is it in their minds) ? 

  What are your thoughts?

  John Holstein

  "if we don't change direction, we will end up where we are headed"

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  From: Mark.Robson at australwright.com.au
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  Sent: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 4:10 PM
  Subject: Re: [CAMWEST-discuss] Fw: Rouse Hill T-Way

Hi All,

This episode shows how the designers don't look around at what's already there
before they start.  There is a perfectly good pedestrian overpass across the 
Hwy within sight of the Cumberland Hwy/Old Windsor Rd intersection. From memory 
this bridge is
quite ridable, at least on the northern end.

Taking the cyclepath over the existing overpass and thru the park to Tanderaee
and up Ferndale Close would have been much better IMHO. Is there any access from 
the new
 creek crossing into Milford Way or is there a sound fence there as well?? If 
not then the
new bridge over the creek is a complete waste of money.

In the meantime, it's possible to divert via Darcy Rd, Briens Rd, Mayfield, 
cross Coopers Ck on narrow bridge, then Chetwyn Pl, 
then either - cross Cumberland Hwy at lights into Ferndale Cl
   or       - Portadown Rd, overpass, then up Tanderaee into Ferndale Cl

Mark R

-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Goard [mailto:mpgoard at ihug.com.au]
Sent: Tuesday, 20 March 2007 11:21 AM
To: Ian Macindoe; pmcguire at tpg.com.au; camwest-discuss at nicku.org; Nick
Urbanik; Mark Robson
Subject: Re: [CAMWEST-discuss] Fw: Rouse Hill T-Way

Hi all,

Here is a link to the route via Ferndale and Doig


There are several reasons for not recomending the route (see comments on the 
route in its notes)
I have attached some photos taken last Sunday (18/3)

The Noise Wall was completely closed, and has been hacked open, and a 
section of the fence erected has be taken down by locals.
The closure was done to kurb the incidence of theft from cars stopping at 
the lights on Hart Drive by some residents from the housing commision, 
hiding behind the part of the Noise Wall.
Could be impassable in wet weather

It may not be a safe route after dark.

215 - Road Ends - It sure does!
217 - T-way information sign on southern side of Hart Drive
222 - Southern side of Hart Drive facing wset up Hart Drive - "No Pedestrian 
Access Permitted"
223 - Narrow width of dropped curb
224 - Facing South East Old Windsor Rd - Restricted view of traffic 
approaching slip lane (many take it too fast) Recommend not to cross untill 
sure vehicle has stopped and those following will stop safely.
225 - No dropped curb crossing on island
226 - No fromed Paths, mounds of dirt, and rubble, and armco railing 
restrict access to cut hole in Noise Wall
227 - Hacked hole in Noise Wall
228 - Hacked hole in Noise Wall and uneven ground levels
229 - Hole made in newly erected Fence (facing west). The grass was quite 
long when photo taken. Seen note below about park
230 - Looking back (east) at hole cut in Noise Wall
231 - Opening made in newly erected fence (facing east)

Notes on Park in 229:
1. No formed path - problem in wet weather
2. In photo - veer to right to exit to Lurgan St Near Doig St
3. Veering to left takes you to concreted stormwater structures.  This has 
stepped level surfaces, and then takes you through housing commision units 
to Lurgan St


Michael Goard

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From: "Mark Robson" <Mark.Robson at australwright.com.au>
To: "Michael Goard" <mpgoard at ihug.com.au>; "Nick Urbanik" <nicku at nicku.org>; 
<camwest-discuss at nicku.org>; <pmcguire at tpg.com.au>
Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2007 9:28 AM
Subject: RE: [CAMWEST-discuss] Fw: Rouse Hill T-Way

> Hi All,
> I have had a quick look at Michael's bikely map,
> there is a new cycle bridge over the creek between the Cumberland Hwy and 
> Briens Rd,
> so it's not necessary to detour quite so far in this spot. However I don't 
> know yet
> how to get down the hill from Ferndale Close to Cumberland Hwy, I assume 
> there is
> some path still to be completed here, or perhaps cyclists are expected to 
> go through
> the back streets via Ferndale, Doig St and through the littl;e park there.
> Anyway, this is preferable to the big detour roud Hammers Rd,
> and that hammers Rd bridge is really dangerous as well, sorry Michael,
> I've been nearly hit by a car there twice.
> Unfortunately the route from Abbot Rd to Cumberland Hwy IS covered by 
> something
> that the T-Way people think is a bicycle route. It's all they are building 
> and
> it has some serious problems. They don't seem to understand that a double 
> traffic lights
> crossing like the one peter refers to at the intersection of Abbot Rd and 
> Old Windsor Rd
> is completely unattractive to any sort of cyclist. How much more would it 
> have cost to clip
> an extra couple of metres of  LIGHT traffic width onto the bus overpass.
> They spent about a million dollars on the bus overpass to cross Abbott Rd 
> and cyclists
> get a set of traffic lioghts with a bicycle lantern so we can ride across 
> after waiting 5
> minutes for the lights to change.
> My solution:
> What is neeed here is for the traffic light computer to be re-programmed 
> so that when a cyclist crosses
> one set of lights the cycle changes to turn the next set instantly green 
> so the cyclist can clear the
> entire intersection in ONE GO! And pigs might fly too!
> Mark R
> -----Original Message-----
> From: camwest-discuss-bounces at nicku.org
> [mailto:camwest-discuss-bounces at nicku.org]On Behalf Of Michael Goard
> Sent: Monday, 19 March 2007 10:02 PM
> To: Nick Urbanik; camwest-discuss at nicku.org; pmcguire at tpg.com.au
> Subject: Re: [CAMWEST-discuss] Fw: Rouse Hill T-Way
> Bikely route with comments
> http://www.bikely.com/maps/bike-path/NW-T-Way-Abbot-to-Briens-Rd
>>From Abbot Rd intersection to Briens Rd Northmead, then to Westmead
> Regards
> Michael Goard
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Nick Urbanik" <nicku at nicku.org>
> To: <camwest-discuss at nicku.org>
> Sent: Monday, March 19, 2007 7:59 PM
> Subject: [CAMWEST-discuss] Fw: Rouse Hill T-Way
>> Dear CAMWESTies,
>> Is anyone familiar with the location Peter is talking about?  Can
>> anyone help him?
>> ----- Forwarded message from Peter McGuire <pmcguire at tpg.com.au> -----
>> From: "Peter McGuire" <pmcguire at tpg.com.au>
>> Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 17:39:34 +1100
>> To: <info at camwest.pps.com.au>
>> Subject: Rouse Hill T-Way
>> X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11
>> Hi, I am new to bicycle riding having just purchased a new Bike late
>> last year.  I was anticipating using the proposed cycle path along the
>> new Parramatta-Rouse Hill busway but have been astounded to find that
>> a cycleway has not been included with this T-way between Abbott Road
>> and the Cumberland Hwy including the bridge over Toongabbie Ck and the
>> two overpasses at Abbott RD and the Cumberland Hwy. I understand
>> CAMwest puts in a lot of voluntary effort to get better outcomes for
>> cyclists and I would just like to ask if CAMwest was aware that this
>> was not going to happen. I wrote to the RTA but no reply. I attempted
>> to ride along the alternate paths along Old Windsor Rd but found it a
>> daunting task especially crossing some of those very large
>> intersections like the M2 exit/entry. Very unsafe if you have
>> children.
>>            This seems to be a tragic lost opportunity to link the M7
>> cycleway with Parramatta in a safe cycling environment. Is all hope
>> lost to make safe cycling a reality?
>>            Yours sincerely , Peter McGuire
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