[CAMWEST-discuss] CAMWEST-discuss Digest, Vol 67, Issue 10

KarenB zippyzither at aapt.net.au
Wed Jul 14 03:35:39 UTC 2010


Mark,

You couldn't have put it better. It would be a shame to see it end and it is
true that without the name behind you, there is far less you can do. 

I have not been active in helping Camwest due to my own commitments but I
have always kept up to date with the various happenings via the mailing list
and those I run into from time to time. 

How many people are there like me who read this list but don't get involved?


I am unable to commit a greatly with the organizing of events but no doubt
there are smaller tasks I can assist with. If I can be of use being on a
committee I am also happy to commit to this.    

Like many of us my time is very pushed but I am willing to put my hand up
and help. I challenge those who also read this list but have yet to get
involved to consider helping keep Camwest going. 

I have not met everyone but do know a number of you do a great deal. -More
often than not too much and it would eat in to your free time immensely.

Even if we are able to help lighten their load with the smaller things so
they can have some breathing space and manage to focus on the issues and
roles they are addressing. 

So...I have committed, who else?

Regards,

Karen Bagshaw
    
 
  
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   1. Demise of CAMWEST (Mark Robson)
   2. Re: Demise of CAMWEST (Danny Hannan)


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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2010 12:10:20 +1000
From: "Mark Robson" <Mark.Robson at australwright.com.au>
Subject: [CAMWEST-discuss] Demise of CAMWEST
To: "John Holstein" <jonhol2 at netscape.net>
Cc: camwest-discuss at nicku.org
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Dear John,

My understanding is that over the years CAMWEST has been through
more than one 'recess'. Also, I get the feeling from the Council people that
I have dealt with at 
Holroyd that our very existence provides the 'thorn in their side' that they
need to stay
prompted to remember cycling issues when they consider projects.

I remember my first few CAMWEST meetings, I was overawed by the knowledge
and contacts
that the people had, they were on first name basis with Councillors, MP's
and knew all about all of the issues.
It takes a long; long time, but 8 years later at a meeting at Rob's house it
was the other way around,
but ALL of the invitations I have taken up to discuss cycling with Council
staff or Councillors have come
directly from the CAMWEST name. Without the name we are helpless as
individuals.

I have experienced this at work, where I have fronted up to interstate
customers that didn't know me personally;
and have been treated poorly until I either used the company name or shown
the business card;
and then I was suddenly treated like a royal visitor. The name carries the
reputation, not the individual.

The CAMWEST name gets the individual into places that he/she would not
otherwise be able to get into.
Like tea with the Parramatta State MP, who happens to ride a bicycle more
than me, and she brought up
the Prospect path closure and gave me a new perspective on it. But yes, the
individual must be the one
to put in the required time to attend such things.

In the past when things have sunk to a low ebb, someone ( usually Ian ) has
always organised a "is this the end of CAMWEST"
gathering, usually called it an AGM and things have continued on their rocky
way.

I challenge everyone that listens to this list to actually DO something for
cycling advocacy in the next 3 months;
then by our September AGM we should have some things to report on.

If you think cycling advocacy is dead in western Sydney look at the noise
that's been made out the Prospect 
path closure and the eventual reopening of the path now during most daylight
hours. Yes CRAG have been
very active, as have Holroyd Council, but when they have a site meeting and
CAMWEST and BikeNorth
jerseys appear it really does help a lot.

We are all busy, people are overseas, I'm trying to build a kitchen, I know
someone has been trying to finish off a 
house ever since I've known him. But it doesn't take much to shoot off a
letter via email, especially in this age
when you can use google to get email addresses for Councillors and
Ministers. There are still plenty of
issues in the greater Western Sydney area that need our attention, like the
missing link(s) of the PVC,
the traffic lights through Westmead, the underpass at Fox Hills Golf Course
and so on  and on and on and on.
The there's the issue of protecting it once it's built as we discovered at
Prospect.

And that guy on the T-Way bus did wonders for cycling advocacy because he
gave us a burning issue and a desire 
to write about it and be heard as an organisation.  

Our Xmas BBQ at Pemulwuy turned out pretty good, I'm happy to run it again,
maybe at a different location,
each of just needs to run our single favourite event for there to be enough
of a simmer of activity to remain an organisation.

What we need is a plan the gets us a larger membership base from which to
draw volunteers, 
perhaps we need to become more like a traditional BUG with as wide
membership as we can summon,
and a smaller committee. The path to that is events that are advertised
outside the cycling community
in places such as newspapers, bike shops and noticeboards, as well as
stopping cyclists.

Seems now every single time I go out on a journey I see at least one or two
cyclists, meaning
someone, somewhere close by is on a bike 7 days a week. 


Mark





-----Original Message-----
From: camwest-discuss-bounces at nicku.org
[mailto:camwest-discuss-bounces at nicku.org]On Behalf Of Nick Urbanik
Sent: Sunday, 11 July 2010 11:30 AM
To: John Holstein
Cc: camwest-announce at nicku.org; camwest-discuss at nicku.org
Subject: Re: [CAMWEST-discuss] Demise of CAMWEST?


Dear John,

On 10/07/10 09:11 -0400, John Holstein wrote:
>Hello fellow CAMWESTIES,
> 
>please take some time to visit this thread on Sydney Cyclist
>
>http://www.sydneycyclist.com/forum/topics/advocacy-in-the-workplace-so?page
=1&>commentId=1321712%3AComment%3A168530&x=1#1321712Comment168530
> 
>The start of the thread by Rob & subsequent comment by Streetsweeper,
>(Phil) prompted me to think about the future of CAMWEST. I realise
>that many of us lead very busy lives and find it difficult to
>dedicate time to a lot of separate issues, but several recent
>requests for assistance have resulted in almost negligible response.

I'm sorry to hear that.  It must be quite disheartening.

>My recent call for assistance with incorporation prompted
>only one response & that was from another group with a totally
>different focus.

http://camwest.pps.com.au/news/news-june-2010.shtml#incorporation
I don't think any of us have experience with the legalities and
technicalities of incorporation.

>To say I was disappointed is a slight understatement & has lead me to
>think that there is a need to either revive CAMWEST or let the group
>go into recess for a time.
> 
>I will continue to advocate for better cycling facilities, but under
>my own name, but to continue CAMWEST without adequate support is
>becoming more difficult as time goes on as we don't even have an
>active management team at present.

As you pointed out in
http://camwest.pps.com.au/news/news-may-2010.shtml#thanks
at least a few people are doing some worthwhile things.
Also Mark Robson has been writing thought-provoking articles:
http://camwest.pps.com.au/advocacy/bike-train-bike.shtml
And sometimes even I spend some time updating the website :-)

The ride to Riverstone
http://camwest.pps.com.au/news/news-may-2010.shtml#ride2riverstone
was a major achievement with such a
surprisingly large number of people riding (over 460!).  Kudos to all
who are prepared to take on the challenge of organising events like
that.

I am grateful for the excellent work you have done in advocating
for cycling, and I know that many more people would like to offer you
their heartiest thanks for your fruitful efforts.
-- 
Nick Urbanik             http://nicku.org           nicku at nicku.org
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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2010 20:13:36 -0700 (PDT)
From: Danny Hannan <danny_hannan at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [CAMWEST-discuss] Demise of CAMWEST
To: Mark Robson <Mark.Robson at australwright.com.au>,	John Holstein
	<jonhol2 at netscape.net>
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Well said Mark
Dan
?danny_hannan at yahoo.com 




________________________________
From: Mark Robson <Mark.Robson at australwright.com.au>
To: John Holstein <jonhol2 at netscape.net>
Cc: camwest-discuss at nicku.org
Sent: Wed, 14 July, 2010 12:10:20 PM
Subject: [CAMWEST-discuss] Demise of CAMWEST

Dear John,

My understanding is that over the years CAMWEST has been through
more than one 'recess'. Also, I get the feeling from the Council people that
I 
have dealt with at 

Holroyd that our very existence provides the 'thorn in their side' that they

need to stay
prompted to remember cycling issues when they consider projects.

I remember my first few CAMWEST meetings, I was overawed by the knowledge
and 
contacts
that the people had, they were on first name basis with Councillors, MP's
and 
knew all about all of the issues.
It takes a long; long time, but 8 years later at a meeting at Rob's house it
was 
the other way around,
but ALL of the invitations I have taken up to discuss cycling with Council
staff 
or Councillors have come
directly from the CAMWEST name. Without the name we are helpless as
individuals.

I have experienced this at work, where I have fronted up to interstate
customers 
that didn't know me personally;
and have been treated poorly until I either used the company name or shown
the 
business card;
and then I was suddenly treated like a royal visitor. The name carries the 
reputation, not the individual.

The CAMWEST name gets the individual into places that he/she would not
otherwise 
be able to get into.
Like tea with the Parramatta State MP, who happens to ride a bicycle more
than 
me, and she brought up
the Prospect path closure and gave me a new perspective on it. But yes, the 
individual must be the one
to put in the required time to attend such things.

In the past when things have sunk to a low ebb, someone ( usually Ian ) has 
always organised a "is this the end of CAMWEST"
gathering, usually called it an AGM and things have continued on their rocky

way.

I challenge everyone that listens to this list to actually DO something for 
cycling advocacy in the next 3 months;
then by our September AGM we should have some things to report on.

If you think cycling advocacy is dead in western Sydney look at the noise
that's 
been made out the Prospect 

path closure and the eventual reopening of the path now during most daylight

hours. Yes CRAG have been
very active, as have Holroyd Council, but when they have a site meeting and 
CAMWEST and BikeNorth
jerseys appear it really does help a lot.

We are all busy, people are overseas, I'm trying to build a kitchen, I know 
someone has been trying to finish off a 

house ever since I've known him. But it doesn't take much to shoot off a
letter 
via email, especially in this age
when you can use google to get email addresses for Councillors and
Ministers. 
There are still plenty of
issues in the greater Western Sydney area that need our attention, like the 
missing link(s) of the PVC,
the traffic lights through Westmead, the underpass at Fox Hills Golf Course
and 
so on? and on and on and on.
The there's the issue of protecting it once it's built as we discovered at 
Prospect.

And that guy on the T-Way bus did wonders for cycling advocacy because he?
gave 
us a burning issue and a desire 

to write about it and be heard as an organisation.? 

Our Xmas BBQ at Pemulwuy turned out pretty good, I'm happy to run it again, 
maybe at a different location,
each of just needs to run our single favourite event for there to be enough
of a 
simmer of activity to remain an organisation.

What we need is a plan the gets us a larger membership base from which to
draw 
volunteers, 

perhaps we need to become more like a traditional BUG with as wide
membership as 
we can summon,
and a smaller committee. The path to that is events that are advertised
outside 
the cycling community
in places such as newspapers, bike shops and noticeboards, as well as
stopping 
cyclists.

Seems now every single time I go out on a journey I see at least one or two 
cyclists, meaning
someone, somewhere close by is on a bike 7 days a week. 


Mark





-----Original Message-----
From: camwest-discuss-bounces at nicku.org
[mailto:camwest-discuss-bounces at nicku.org]On Behalf Of Nick Urbanik
Sent: Sunday, 11 July 2010 11:30 AM
To: John Holstein
Cc: camwest-announce at nicku.org; camwest-discuss at nicku.org
Subject: Re: [CAMWEST-discuss] Demise of CAMWEST?


Dear John,

On 10/07/10 09:11 -0400, John Holstein wrote:
>Hello fellow CAMWESTIES,
> 
>please take some time to visit this thread on Sydney Cyclist
>
>http://www.sydneycyclist.com/forum/topics/advocacy-in-the-workplace-so?page
=1&>commentId=1321712%3AComment%3A168530&x=1#1321712Comment168530
>
> 
>The start of the thread by Rob & subsequent comment by Streetsweeper,
>(Phil) prompted me to think about the future of CAMWEST. I realise
>that many of us lead very busy lives and find it difficult to
>dedicate time to a lot of separate issues, but several recent
>requests for assistance have resulted in almost negligible response.

I'm sorry to hear that.? It must be quite disheartening.

>My recent call for assistance with incorporation prompted
>only one response & that was from another group with a totally
>different focus.

http://camwest.pps.com.au/news/news-june-2010.shtml#incorporation
I don't think any of us have experience with the legalities and
technicalities of incorporation.

>To say I was disappointed is a slight understatement & has lead me to
>think that there is a need to either revive CAMWEST or let the group
>go into recess for a time.
> 
>I will continue to advocate for better cycling facilities, but under
>my own name, but to continue CAMWEST without adequate support is
>becoming more difficult as time goes on as we don't even have an
>active management team at present.

As you pointed out in
http://camwest.pps.com.au/news/news-may-2010.shtml#thanks
at least a few people are doing some worthwhile things.
Also Mark Robson has been writing thought-provoking articles:
http://camwest.pps.com.au/advocacy/bike-train-bike.shtml
And sometimes even I spend some time updating the website :-)

The ride to Riverstone
http://camwest.pps.com.au/news/news-may-2010.shtml#ride2riverstone
was a major achievement with such a
surprisingly large number of people riding (over 460!).? Kudos to all
who are prepared to take on the challenge of organising events like
that.

I am grateful for the excellent work you have done in advocating
for cycling, and I know that many more people would like to offer you
their heartiest thanks for your fruitful efforts.
-- 
Nick Urbanik? ? ? ? ? ? http://nicku.org? ? ? ? ? nicku at nicku.org
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