[CAMWEST-discuss] Demise of CAMWEST

Ian Macindoe imacian1 at bigpond.com
Sun Aug 1 02:46:30 UTC 2010

Have just returned from several weeks holiday (Cairns and surrounds is 
really nice mid-winter) and am catching up with emails. I want to 
congratulate you on your thoughtful outline of the CAMWEST history of ups 
and downs etc. Wise words. In the very early days there were meetings where 
only 2 or 3 people showed up. But with persistence things changed gradually. 
Like many organisations, matters wax and wane depending on many factors. 
Sometimes we battle through a lean time. Yes, I think having a social 
occasion (BBQ at some happy location) can be helpful --- no pressure and can 
invite others who may be interested but have not been too active.
John, not sure why there is need for incorporation. We looked at it a couple 
of times in the past and decided against it. However, there may be good 
reasons for incorporating ---- I've been 'out of the loop' so not sure what 
is behind the need.
If it will help, I'm able to host an afternoon barbie at my place: informal, 
but chance to talk also. Mark is offering also.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mark Robson" <Mark.Robson at australwright.com.au>
To: "John Holstein" <jonhol2 at netscape.net>
Cc: <camwest-discuss at nicku.org>
Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2010 12:10 PM
Subject: [CAMWEST-discuss] Demise of CAMWEST

> Dear John,
> My understanding is that over the years CAMWEST has been through
> more than one 'recess'. Also, I get the feeling from the Council people 
> that I have dealt with at
> Holroyd that our very existence provides the 'thorn in their side' that 
> they need to stay
> prompted to remember cycling issues when they consider projects.
> I remember my first few CAMWEST meetings, I was overawed by the knowledge 
> and contacts
> that the people had, they were on first name basis with Councillors, MP's 
> and knew all about all of the issues.
> It takes a long; long time, but 8 years later at a meeting at Rob's house 
> it was the other way around,
> but ALL of the invitations I have taken up to discuss cycling with Council 
> staff or Councillors have come
> directly from the CAMWEST name. Without the name we are helpless as 
> individuals.
> I have experienced this at work, where I have fronted up to interstate 
> customers that didn't know me personally;
> and have been treated poorly until I either used the company name or shown 
> the business card;
> and then I was suddenly treated like a royal visitor. The name carries the 
> reputation, not the individual.
> The CAMWEST name gets the individual into places that he/she would not 
> otherwise be able to get into.
> Like tea with the Parramatta State MP, who happens to ride a bicycle more 
> than me, and she brought up
> the Prospect path closure and gave me a new perspective on it. But yes, 
> the individual must be the one
> to put in the required time to attend such things.
> In the past when things have sunk to a low ebb, someone ( usually Ian ) 
> has always organised a "is this the end of CAMWEST"
> gathering, usually called it an AGM and things have continued on their 
> rocky way.
> I challenge everyone that listens to this list to actually DO something 
> for cycling advocacy in the next 3 months;
> then by our September AGM we should have some things to report on.
> If you think cycling advocacy is dead in western Sydney look at the noise 
> that's been made out the Prospect
> path closure and the eventual reopening of the path now during most 
> daylight hours. Yes CRAG have been
> very active, as have Holroyd Council, but when they have a site meeting 
> and CAMWEST and BikeNorth
> jerseys appear it really does help a lot.
> We are all busy, people are overseas, I'm trying to build a kitchen, I 
> know someone has been trying to finish off a
> house ever since I've known him. But it doesn't take much to shoot off a 
> letter via email, especially in this age
> when you can use google to get email addresses for Councillors and 
> Ministers. There are still plenty of
> issues in the greater Western Sydney area that need our attention, like 
> the missing link(s) of the PVC,
> the traffic lights through Westmead, the underpass at Fox Hills Golf 
> Course and so on  and on and on and on.
> The there's the issue of protecting it once it's built as we discovered at 
> Prospect.
> And that guy on the T-Way bus did wonders for cycling advocacy because he 
> gave us a burning issue and a desire
> to write about it and be heard as an organisation.
> Our Xmas BBQ at Pemulwuy turned out pretty good, I'm happy to run it 
> again, maybe at a different location,
> each of just needs to run our single favourite event for there to be 
> enough of a simmer of activity to remain an organisation.
> What we need is a plan the gets us a larger membership base from which to 
> draw volunteers,
> perhaps we need to become more like a traditional BUG with as wide 
> membership as we can summon,
> and a smaller committee. The path to that is events that are advertised 
> outside the cycling community
> in places such as newspapers, bike shops and noticeboards, as well as 
> stopping cyclists.
> Seems now every single time I go out on a journey I see at least one or 
> two cyclists, meaning
> someone, somewhere close by is on a bike 7 days a week.
> Mark
> -----Original Message-----
> From: camwest-discuss-bounces at nicku.org
> [mailto:camwest-discuss-bounces at nicku.org]On Behalf Of Nick Urbanik
> Sent: Sunday, 11 July 2010 11:30 AM
> To: John Holstein
> Cc: camwest-announce at nicku.org; camwest-discuss at nicku.org
> Subject: Re: [CAMWEST-discuss] Demise of CAMWEST?
> Dear John,
> On 10/07/10 09:11 -0400, John Holstein wrote:
>>Hello fellow CAMWESTIES,
>>please take some time to visit this thread on Sydney Cyclist
>>The start of the thread by Rob & subsequent comment by Streetsweeper,
>>(Phil) prompted me to think about the future of CAMWEST. I realise
>>that many of us lead very busy lives and find it difficult to
>>dedicate time to a lot of separate issues, but several recent
>>requests for assistance have resulted in almost negligible response.
> I'm sorry to hear that.  It must be quite disheartening.
>>My recent call for assistance with incorporation prompted
>>only one response & that was from another group with a totally
>>different focus.
> http://camwest.pps.com.au/news/news-june-2010.shtml#incorporation
> I don't think any of us have experience with the legalities and
> technicalities of incorporation.
>>To say I was disappointed is a slight understatement & has lead me to
>>think that there is a need to either revive CAMWEST or let the group
>>go into recess for a time.
>>I will continue to advocate for better cycling facilities, but under
>>my own name, but to continue CAMWEST without adequate support is
>>becoming more difficult as time goes on as we don't even have an
>>active management team at present.
> As you pointed out in
> http://camwest.pps.com.au/news/news-may-2010.shtml#thanks
> at least a few people are doing some worthwhile things.
> Also Mark Robson has been writing thought-provoking articles:
> http://camwest.pps.com.au/advocacy/bike-train-bike.shtml
> And sometimes even I spend some time updating the website :-)
> The ride to Riverstone
> http://camwest.pps.com.au/news/news-may-2010.shtml#ride2riverstone
> was a major achievement with such a
> surprisingly large number of people riding (over 460!).  Kudos to all
> who are prepared to take on the challenge of organising events like
> that.
> I am grateful for the excellent work you have done in advocating
> for cycling, and I know that many more people would like to offer you
> their heartiest thanks for your fruitful efforts.
> -- 
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