[CAMWEST-announce] Fwd: NSW Labor BUG Roundtable

. jonhol2 at netscape.net
Mon Dec 22 03:18:15 UTC 2014

Hi Chloe,
             here is my take on the meeting from notes I took. I had been waiting for Doug Stewart to comment before I posted mine. 
John Richardson was present to represent BNSW as was Peter Lee , new BNSW Board member & President of the Newcastle Cycleways Movement& the BUGS were very well represented at the meeting. There was also discussion regarding pedestrian interaction & the need to change the ARR's regarding children over 12 years of age riding on footpaths. Both Callum's & my précis are very brief notes & there is a need to further pursue cycling as an issue in the next election.

About 16 people attended this meeting with Representation from Bike Sydney, Bike North, CAMWEST, Easy Riders, Newcastle Cycleways Movement, Bike East, Canada Bay, Bike Leichhardt and John Richardson, Vice President of Bicycle NSW. My apologies if I have missed a BUG, as my hearing is not always as good as it should be. The Labor candidate for Balmain, verity Firth was also in attendance.
As reported by Doug from Bike North, we were asked to introduce ourselves and nominate 3 areas of concern for cycling in NSW. Our answers were remarkably similar and I believe we conveyed a strong message to Ms Sharpe regarding cycling issues.
The key points raised were:-
Education:  for both drivers and cyclists and that theme was built on throughout the conversation to include education at school level, more cycling specific  questions in licence testing, behavioural change strategies aimed at driver attitudes. School education programmes were raised as was the need to support programmes such as CARES. Education programmes also for Public Transport Drivers (Bus/Taxi) .
Connecting Infrastructure:  The current situation of bike lanes simply ending was raised as was issues of local networks  and the lack of connectivity of many bike paths.
Cycling Infrastructure:  Design of Cycling infrastructure and the need to push for compliance with Austroads Pt 14 https://www.onlinepublications.austroads.com.au/items/AP-11-14-99  when designing and implementing cycling infrastructure. Points raised re cycle crossings on slip lanes joining major roads and "squeeze points" on all roads. Any new transport infrastructure to include ALL road users at the design and construction stage. The concept of "Veloways" was mentioned, uninterrupted cycle ways separated from roads. Suggestions that all Commercial Development Applications  have mandatory end of trip facilities for cyclists
Cycling Funding: This point was raised quite often and it was stressed we need to move towards a greater base of funding for cycling infrastructure. Suggestions were "Quantum Funding" that is a huge injection of funding into cycling. Changing the funding models to Local Government Areas(LGA's) to encourage more building of infrastructure. The current model is generally on a 50/50 basis& it was suggested this would be more effective with an 80/20 model (State Gov't/ LGA) and in cases of major works encompassing several LGA's, entirely State Funded.
Cultural Change:  This suggestion appeared in many attendees comments and ranged from education packages at school level, driver education in the form of mandatory cycle questions in licence tests, credit for drivers licence applicants who complete an accredited cycling course through to attitudinal change of legislators, Road builders (RMS) and Local Government Traffic Committees where infrastructure projects are mainly decided on by Police & RMS . There were suggestions re the comments of "Shock Jocks" , such as Derryn Hinch and his "Cockroach" comments about cyclists which inflame the relationship between cyclists and certain drivers.
Comments were raised regarding Court decisions when drivers are before them as a result of collisions with cyclists and also the attitude of some Police when investigating accidents involving cyclists and motorists.

John Holstein
Member of CAMWEST (http://camwest.pps.com.au) advocating for better cycling infrastructure for Sydney's West.

"if we don't change direction, we will end up where we are headed" (Professor Irwin Corey
American vaudeville comic and actor (1914 - ) )
-----Original Message-----
From: Chloe Mason <chloemason at bigpond.com>
To: '.' <jonhol2 at netscape.net>
Sent: Mon, 22 Dec 2014 13:30
Subject: RE: [CAMWEST-announce] Fwd: NSW Labor BUG Roundtable

Hi John
This looks as if there’s no space for inter-sectoral connection with cycling.  Nor does the physical road safety material include the relations with pedestrian safety. 
Has she considered what constitutes the “BUG community” nowadays, and I wonder what  approaches she’s made to BicycleNSW? 
Hmm. Chloe
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Fellow CAMWESTies,

                                   here is a précis from her office, of our discussions with Penny Sharpe (Shadow Minister for Transport) last week. Please feel free to forward comments direct to her office. It has been requested that submissions be brief & in dot form.


John Holstein 
Member of CAMWEST (http://camwest.pps.com.au) advocating for better cycling infrastructure for Sydney's West. 

"if we don't change direction, we will end up where we are headed" (Professor Irwin Corey 
American vaudeville comic and actor (1914 - ) )



-----Original Message-----
From: Callum Drake <Callum.Drake at parliament.nsw.gov.au>
To: Callum Drake <Callum.Drake at parliament.nsw.gov.au>
Sent: Mon, 22 Dec 2014 10:20
Subject: NSW Labor BUG Roundtable

Hi all,


Many thanks to everyone who attended last week’s NSW Labor BUG Roundtable.


On behalf of Penny Sharpe MLC I would like to say that it was a very informative and engaging conversation that will become central to shaping Labor’s cycling policy in the lead up to the 2015 NSW Election.


This email is a general recap of the issues and insights raised throughout the conversation, in no particular order. If you feel I have left anything off please feel free to reply and let me know and  I will be sure to take it into consideration throughout the policy drafting process.




The issue of education for both cyclists and other road users was almost unanimously raised around the table. The discussion primarily focused around the need for a culture change to disperse the animosity many roads users direct at cyclists as well as the need for other road users to explicitly understand what obligations they have in relation to actions around cyclists, such as the 1m rule and overtaking. 


Many people at the table felt that all RMS Licence testing should include a specific component based on cycling.


Others discussed options of  early education and how a ride to school campaign could be used as a key opportunity to engage young people in a program.


Connected and Planned Infrastructure:


The need for proper infrastructure that is planned beyond LGA boundaries was a central part of the discussion. The consensus around the table was that if the mode share of cycling is going increase throughout the forward period then significant investment into properly planned cycle ways that can be used as genuine commuter routes such as those seen through the Lane Cove Tunnel need to be invested in. It is also acknowledged that there was a suggestion that all key developments include a specific cycle way component and that all future infrastructure developments include a cycle component.  


Speed Limits:


There was a large portion of the table that suggested 30km/h speed limits would be useful in traffic calming and ensuring more cyclists felt they could use the road safely.


Funding Models:


The issue was raised that the current 50:50 funding model just doesn’t work as LGA’s except City of Sydney just don’t have enough money to invest into cycling infrastructure. It was discussed that the benefit from further percentage of investment from the State Government would also alleviate the issue of non-connected cycle routes and provide better opportunity for cycling to have a much higher mode share.




Many attendees felt that genuine enforcement of the 1m rule would encourage other road users to have a much greater respect for cyclists space and safety. Another suggestion was that a publicly accessible data base be established where accidents involving cyclists are logged and the progress of any action be made available here to.



Penny would also like to invite the BUG community to make a short submission to this office as a supplementary as well as to capture the input from those who were unable to make it on the day.


The submission should be forwarded to callum.drake at parliament.nsw.gov.au by 5pm on Thursday 8th January 2015 with the subject line: NSW Labor BUG Policy Submission. Feel free to extend this through your networks as we are looking to gauge as much input as possible. 


Lastly, the Office of Penny Sharpe will be closed from the 23rd of December until the 2nd of January 2015. I hope you all enjoy the festive season and wish you all the best in the new year.





Callum Drake

Office of Penny Sharpe MLC

Shadow Minister for Transport

Parliament of NSW

Macquarie Street

Sydney NSW 2000

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