Danny Hannan danny_hannan at yahoo.com
Tue Jan 6 06:11:40 UTC 2009

 danny_hannan at yahoo.com 

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From: Danny Hannan <danny_hannan at yahoo.com>
To: John Holstein <jonhol2 at netscape.net>
Sent: Tuesday, 6 January, 2009 5:10:24 PM

Engraving your drivers licence number on the bike is the thing that will bring it to the attention of the police if it gets into their possession and it is an indisputable feature of ownership if you find it.  As far as police are concerned; if there is no drivers licence number there is nothing for them to identify.  There is no record of the serial numbers and owners of bikes.  The other issue is to get the police to look for the engraved number.  Bikes have gone to auction that have been engraved with driver's licence numbers.

However on modern light weight bikes the bottom bracket shell is the only part of the bike that has enough material to sustain the engraving without compromising the integrity of the frame component, usually the underside.

The other thing is never leave your bike unlocked, particularly where there are lots of bikes.  It becomes very easy to steal a bike from a crowd of bikes, no one notices.  In a crowd of bikes, thieves do not steal the locked bikes only the unlocked ones.  In an isolated or, protected from view position, thieves will steal anything locked or unlocked so use a good quality lock and lock it to something immovable.  But I know of bikes that were U locked to large steel pipes & inverted U rails embedded in concrete and still stolen.  The cost of insurance is such that the premiums will pay for a new bike probably before you would trade your old one in.

Dandanny_hannan at yahoo.com 

From: John Holstein <jonhol2 at netscape.net>
To: camwest-discuss at nicku.org; camwest-announce at nicku.org
Sent: Tuesday, 6 January, 2009 12:18:09 PM

                                On NYE Rob Kemp led a small group of Cyclists on a journey along the M7 Cycle Way to Moonrise to view the fireworks.From all reports it was a good evening with all involved enjoying themselves. Rob has received some very favourable comments regarding his leadership and organisation of the ride.

Unfortunately, in circumstances that were completely out of Rob's control, a couple of bikes were stolen from Moonrise as several people enjoyed the midnight fireworks display. One belonged to a rider from Rob's group & one from a rider from another group. There has been some discussion on the Sydney Cyclist Website (http://www.sydneycyclist.com/) about the loss & a description of the bike posted there. That discussion prompted me to add the following post & I have reproduced it here as a reminder to all of us of the importance of knowing the identity of your bike.

In another discussion on this site, Peter H laments the theft of his bike on NYE from Moonrise whilst participating in a CAMWEST organised ride. It was plucked from under the noses of a number of riders, together with a bike from another group attending the same venue. It was a brazen theft & could have happened to any of us.
That leads me into this discussion. Can you describe your bike? Have you recorded the serial number & kept it safe somewhere? Do you have a description of its identifying marks and scars? Is it insured & if so, is it insured for its replacement value? Many of you will answer no to most of these questions.
The NSW Police Force auctions literally hundreds of bikes each year because they cannot be returned to their owners. The database of recovered bikes is littered with 26"road bikes or silver mountain bikes & have very little chance of ever being reunited with their owners because of inadequate identification details being recorded.
In today's world of Digital Photography it is easy. Turn you bike upside down & photograph the serial number which is usually stamped underneath the bottom bracket. Take photographs of all its unique scars and features which will differentiate it from the same brand bike beside it in the Pawn Shop. Have a photograph taken of yourself with your beloved bike (bikes) as well. 
If your bike (or any other treasured possession) does not have a serial number, then you could always engrave it with an identifying number. A very good suggestion is to engrave it with your Drivers Licence Number preceded with a  letter in brackets (N) (V) (Q) etc, to denote what state it is from. The Police have access to the details of you licence immediately through their Computerised Operational Policing System (COPS).
After all that has been done, save the file somewhere safe, have the photographs printed off as well & stored somewhere else ( computers do crash, files get lost) . Then, if your bike is lost, stolen or damaged, you have an accurate record of its description, condition and proof of ownership.
As an aside, it is a good idea to do this with most of your other treasured possessions as well.
A little effort may see your bike returned to you or your insurance company giving you adequate compensation for its loss or theft.

John Holstein
President, CAMWEST (http://camwest.pps.com.au) advocating for better cycling infrastructure for Sydney's West.

"if we don't change direction, we will end up where we are headed" (Professor Irwin Corey
American vaudeville comic and actor (1914 - ) )

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