[CAMWEST-discuss] Ross Garnaut on climate change

Danny Hannan danny_hannan at yahoo.com
Fri Jun 10 01:11:28 UTC 2011

Like Global Warming it is going to be far worse to say and do nothing in respect of the energy crisis than to be truthful and provide measures to reduce the impact.  The end will be inevitably the same no matter what we do.  In 50-100 years all fossil fuels will be depleted and we will be surviving on what renewable infrastructure we can maintain.  All we can do is have a more controlled decent, either a controlled economic contraction with investment in the infrastructure we need for the future without fossil fuels, or the anarchy and chaos of economic depression and populations starving to death.  I prefer to have my children and grand children not suffer anarchy and chaos, it will be had enough to survive anyway.
I connot see our western society getting through this decade without a major economic depression let alone the next decade when declining energy supplies will continue the economic contraction.
And your assumption that there will be jobs to get to on time in 2025 with a worsening depression is seriously questionable.
I appologise to those who may be upset by my doom and gloom senarios but they are based on considerable research and analysis from 1996.
See the attached file if you think my projections are crack pot.

danny_hannan at yahoo.com

From: Mark Robson <Mark.Robson at australwright.com.au>
To: Danny Hannan <danny_hannan at yahoo.com>
Sent: Friday, 10 June 2011 10:28 AM
Subject: Ross Garnaut on climate change

You more than anyone know that they CAN”T release the truth, it’s to damaging.
All you can do is prepare your grandchildren for it, lowering expectations.
I’ve concluded the only reliable way for my kids to get to jobs on time in 2025 
( Cameron will be 22 then ) will be by pushbike. The trains will be overwhelmed ( if they aren’t already )
and cars will be for the rich and famous as they were in the 1930’s and 40’s.
With electric trams, trains and pushbikes the 1930’s must have been quite a nice time if you could feed yourself.
Henry Ford has a lot to answer for.
Next month we are having a conference at Ramsgate and I’m considering riding there,
But I think I’ll wimp out and BTB ( bike-train-bike ) instead.
From:camwest-discuss-bounces at nicku.org [mailto:camwest-discuss-bounces at nicku.org] On Behalf Of Danny Hannan
Sent: Thursday, 9 June 2011 6:48 PM
To: camwest-discuss at nicku.org
Subject: [CAMWEST-discuss] Fw: [Hills_Shire_Bushcare] Free public forum - Ross Garnaut on climate change
G'day again Ian,
As you can see from this e-mail I managed to get a ticket to the Garnaut talk.
danny_hannan at yahoo.com
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From: Danny Hannan <danny_hannan at yahoo.com>
To: Olivia <jagnz1 at bigpond.com>
Sent: Thursday, 9 June 2011 6:44 PM
Subject: Re: [Hills_Shire_Bushcare] Free public forum - Ross Garnaut on climate change

Thanks Olivia,
Just tried again and the ticket was issued.
I might see you there.  I will be catching the train.
danny_hannan at yahoo.com
From:Olivia <jagnz1 at bigpond.com>
To: danny_hannan at yahoo.com
Sent: Thursday, 9 June 2011 5:37 PM
Subject: [Hills_Shire_Bushcare] Free public forum - Ross Garnaut on climate change
Danny are you sure its booked out as I just went to put in for two ticket and they were going to allocate them.
From:Hills_Shire_Bushcare at yahoogroups.com.au [mailto:Hills_Shire_Bushcare at yahoogroups.com.au] On Behalf Of Danny Hannan
Sent: Thursday, 9 June 2011 11:36 AM
To: Hills_Shire_Bushcare at yahoogroups.com.au
Subject: Re: [Hills_Shire_Bushcare] Free public forum - Ross Garnaut on climate change
Unfortunately Rafiq,
The event was sold out when I tried to book.
I do have some very pertinent and important questions to put.
If anyone is going and is prepared to ask my questions!
My 2 Questions:
Australia imports 80% of our liquid fuel needs and growing, while the International Energy Agency recognises that global Peak Conventional Oil Production was in 2006, the peak in global oil exports was in 2005 and declining with projections of a shortage of supply in 2012 and declining supplies after 2014; both for transportation security into the future and green house gas reduction, wouldn't the best course for transportation infrastructure investment by both state and federal governments be in rail in priority to road based motor transportation?
From the government report, Australian Energy Resources Assessment 2010, at current production rates our economic reserves of coal will be depleted in 90 years, with small probability of increasing those economic reserves and projections of doubling coal production within this decade, the life of the reserves comes down to 50 years.  There are also both credible and creditable scientific and statistical analysis that show that global coal production is about to peak and decline with global exports of coal probably already at their peak.  Rather than concentrating on the reduction of CO2 emissions, a negative approach, wouldn't we do better by heavily promoting and investing in renewable energy production?  That way we would both reduce CO2 emission and provide energy security into the future as fossil fuels are depleted.
If you have any reservations about these question do refer to http://camwest.pps.com.au/renewable-energy/ , but I do not expect you to believe me, I wouldn't, without doing my own research and the references are all there for you to make up you own mind.
danny_hannan at yahoo.com
From:Rafiqul Huq <rhuq at thehills.nsw.gov.au>
To: "Hills_Shire_Bushcare at yahoogroups.com.au" <Hills_Shire_Bushcare at yahoogroups.com.au>
Sent: Thursday, 9 June 2011 10:17 AM
Subject: [Hills_Shire_Bushcare] Free public forum - Ross Garnaut on climate change
Free public forum – Ross Garnauton climate change 

Tuesday 21 June, 6.00 -7.30pm
LowerTown Hall , Sydney Town Hall 
In November 2010, Ross Garnaut, one of Australia ’s most distinguished and well-known economists, was commissioned to update his 2008 Climate Change Review. Since then, the GarnautClimate Change Review - Update 2011 has released a series of papers on topics including climate change science and impacts, carbon pricing and the electricity sector. The final report was delivered this week.
Professor Garnaut will be in Sydney on 21 June to discuss the update and present his recommendations for action on climate change.  
Join the City of Sydney at this free, interactive, question and answer-style event, where you can hear from, and question one of the world’s leading authorities on the economics and policy of climate change.
Bookings are essential. 

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