[CAMWEST-discuss] (Old) Holroyd cycleway beside the M4

John Holstein jonhol2 at netscape.net
Wed Jan 25 05:44:14 UTC 2012

Hi Paul,
           the new section of path is an RMS project & I assume it will not be officially opened until the signage has been erected. I have sent an email to Parramatta City Council raising the issues of signage on their side of the M4 as well as the issues with the bollards on the bridges and underpasses. 

I haven't seen the story by Liam, but will try and view it on line. I agree, it is not a waste of money unless they choose not to follow on. The rest of the path it joins to is an abomination. Rough, broke & not fit for use by pedestrians, let alone cyclists, although judging by the marks on it, it is used by cyclists quite regularly.

John Holstein 
Member of CAMWEST (http://camwest.pps.com.au) advocating for better cycling infrastructure for Sydney's West. 

"if we don't change direction, we will end up where we are headed" (Professor Irwin Corey 
American vaudeville comic and actor (1914 - ) )

-----Original Message-----
From: Paul Bowyer <pbowyer at au1.ibm.com>
To: Mark Robson <Mark.Robson at australwright.com.au>
Cc: camwest-discuss <camwest-discuss at nicku.org>
Sent: Wed, Jan 25, 2012 10:02 am
Subject: Re: [CAMWEST-discuss] (Old) Holroyd cycleway beside the M4

Thanks Mark. Haven't heard from Council again yet. Will let you know if
omething eventuates.
id you see the diatribe from Liam Pender in the Sun last week -
omplaining that the M4 cycleway extension was a waste of money? I think he
issed the point - he should be complaining about the other part!! I intend
etting him know that!
Paul Bowyer
roject Manager
obile: 0438 856 880
mail: pbowyer at au1.ibm.com

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                                      (Old) Holroyd cycleway beside the   

i Paul,
Our representations to Council on the section of path from Coleman St to
indlayson Ck have been continuous for many years
ince the Parra-Liverpool T-Way project made it part of a regional route.
e were successful in getting some bollards removed at the Wentworthville
nd as part of the building of the bridge over Findlayson Ck, however as
ou rightly point out many terrible obstacles remain. The worst part of the
-rails is that you can see them ahead so you know your ride is a poor one
ven before you start off from the last obstacle. The path is also narrow
n some places and there's a dangerous post.
But all could be fixed with a little concrete in the right places and some
yclist based fore-thought.

here is a photo survey in the Camwest website here:

he path here that is part of the official T-Way project was not upgraded
t the time and should have been
o Holroyd probably view it as an RTA issue.  I don't think the bridge is
een as part of the cycleway, maybe it should be
dded to Council's bike plan as it does make a nice connection into Jones
ark and over the hill to
estmead station.
I am interested in coming with you on any saddle survey in Holroyd.

-----Original Message-----
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ent: Wednesday, 18 January 2012 5:24 PM
o: camwest-discuss at nicku.org
ubject: [CAMWEST-discuss] (Old) Holroyd cycleway beside the M4

adies and Gents,
ecently the RTA completed work on the splendid extension of the M4
ycleway to Ledger Rd, Merrylands. I have ridden this once and it's great!
ut that's not the subject of this email.
At its western end, the new cycleway joins the poor excuse for a cycleway
n Holroyd Council's jurisdiction. You can either ride north across the
edestrian bridge or continue on the south side down to Finlayson Creek at
entworthville. But which ever way you go, don't expect an easy ride. These
 routes easily win my award for the worst sections of cycleway I have ever
een. They are infested with the worst cycling barrier - the upside-down,
ouble U rail. At best you have to take you put at least one foot on the
round to negotiate them; at worst you have to dismount and stand your bike
n its end to get through.
The southside track has at least 5 pairs of these barriers, in about 500m
f cycleway. Heading north over the pedestrian bridge is even worse. There
re 3 pairs of double U rails within 100 metres, which are so close
ogether that it's virtually impossible to negotiate without dismounting.
o cyclist would use either facility. Though curiously the Amy Gillett ride
n Feb last year traversed its full length, which let me to write to
olroyd Council to ask them to remove all these barriers. A few months
ater I was told (by Stoyan Franca at Holroyd Council) that they would be
eplaced by single bollards by June 2011. Foolishly I took them at their
ord (and also moved house). But I decided to check it out over the
hristmas holidays. To my dismay, it appears that nothing has been done.
So I am wondering if you might have any information about this cycleway.
   Are you aware of any work being done or planned on this cycleway in the
  last 12 months, particularly in relation to bollards?
  Have you, or do you know of anyone having made representations to
  Council or anyone else about it?
  Do you know if Council regards the bridge as part of the cycleway?
  Are you interested in participating in a Saddle Survey of the route?
I'm thinking of seeing if Bicycle NSW and/or Amy Gillett folk might be able
o help support the push.
The other option is to implement a quick fix myself with an angle grinder
nd a compressor. that would save Council some money! : - )
Grateful for your help.

Paul Bowyer
roject Manager
obile: 0438 856 880
mail: pbowyer at au1.ibm.com

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